海外にて『Nintendo SwitchのアーキテクチャはPascalではなくMaxwell』というレポートが公開

海外サイト『GamesBeat』では、Nintendo Switch(ニンテンドースイッチ)に利用されているアーキテクチャはNvidiaの”Pascal”ではなく”Maxwell”である事を確認した、とレポート記事を掲載しています。

元の記事はこちら:http://venturebeat.com/2016/12/14/nintendo-switch-specs-less-powerful-than-playstation-4/

最新のPascalはタイミングが合わず、Maxwellを採用か

記事によると、Nvidiaのグラフィックス処理アーキテクチャは最新のPascalではなく、前世代に当たるMaxwellを採用しているとしています。

Nvidiaは今年初めに新たなPascalアーキテクチャを発表しましたが、その技術を取り入れるには準備が出来ていなかったようです。

Maxwellは今でも任天堂スタイルのゲームをプレイするのに十分強力であり、その視覚機能は多くのユーザーを満足させる事が出来ます。
それはPVにてNBA 2Kやスカイリムのようなリアルなゲームを取り扱っている事が示唆しています。

一部のユーザーは最先端であるPascalを搭載していない事にガッカリしたかもしれません。
しかし任天堂はPascalが安定して供給できる段階まで待つことが出来ず、リリースを急いでいました。
それはWii Uのゲームパッドがリリースする前にiPadが広まって普及の妨げになったように、他社がハイブリッドをコンセプトにした端末を出す前に迅速に打ち出したかったからです。
Pascalの採用を決定した場合は、リリースに遅れが生じこのような危機にさらし続ける事になってしまいます。

このMaxwellの選択は、他のハードと比べてはるかに安価になる事を意味します。
以前より開発キットは(Maxwellの搭載された)X1チップにて動いていたという噂がありました。
それは常に手頃で経済的な価格のチップセットに焦点を当てる為の可能性が高いです。
任天堂は今、SonyやMicrosoftの路線の軍拡競争で成功するつもりはありません。

うんぬんかんぬん。
…いや、これとにかく本文が長いんですよ、英語だし(´・ω・)

要するにニンテンドースイッチは前世代のMaxwellを使用しており、最先端の性能ではないがその分安価で提供する事が出来るだろう、とそんな感じです!(雑)

Pascalを採用しているという意見も多数

今回のGamesBeatではMaxwellを採用しているとのリーク情報ですが、Pascalを利用しているというリークや推測も数多く出ています。

『Direct-Feed Games』はニンテンドースイッチがNXと呼ばれていた頃から、NXにはNvidia製のチップが使用されると情報提供していた人物です。
彼はTwitterにて、『NXにはNvidiaのPacalが採用されると断言できる。』と言いきっています。

 

 GPUアーキテクチャだが,2017年登場のマシンである以上,現時点における最新世代,すなわちPascal世代になる可能性が高い。
Pascal世代のGPUを搭載したTegraとして,NVIDIAは2016年8月に,自動運転向けとなる「Parker」(パーカー,開発コードネーム)のスペックを明らかにしているが(関連記事),Parkerそのものにならないとしても,これが1つの目安にはなるはずである。

(中略)

もちろん,「最新を追いすぎない任天堂の方針」からすれば,前世代のMaxwellアーキテクチャを採用した「Tegra X1」系プロセッサを採用する可能性もなくはないのだが,「いまさら携帯前提の端末でTSMCの20nmプロセス技術をベースとした物理設計を採用する意味があるとは思えないので,16nm FinFETプロセス技術を採用するPascalを使うだろう。Pascal系ならParkerのカスタムだろう」と考えるほうが自然だとは思う。

引用:http://www.4gamer.net/games/990/G999026/20161021062/

4Gamerの西川善司さんも、近年の技術動向からPascalが採用されるだろうと予想しており、今になって敢えてMaxwellを採用する必要性は薄いのではないか?としています。

また、Nvidiaもニンテンドースイッチに対しては『最先端のチップ』という表現をしていたり、今年5月の報道関係者向けイベントではPascalを搭載した次世代Tegraを披露しており、ゲーム用途利用について『世界中の誰も作れないデバイスがターゲットだ』と答えているなど、スイッチにはPascalを搭載しているのでは?と取れる発言もいくつかあります。
(もちろん自社製品を最先端と呼ぶのは普通ですし、Maxwellの可能性もありますけどね。)

次世代Tegraについて:http://www.4gamer.net/games/049/G004964/20160530012/

そもそもPascalでもMaxwellでも大差ない?

 Tegra X1の構成は、2017年のゲーム機としては貧弱だ。なぜなら、2017年にはモバイル機器が10nmプロセスに突入するからだ。しかしParkerの構成は、Switchのような半モバイル的な使い方をするには、やや構成が高電力側に偏っている。その点からも、任天堂のチップがカスタム化されている可能性は高い。

(中略)

GPUコアはTegra X1がMaxwell世代、ParkerがPascal世代となっている。しかし、グラフィックス向けのPascalは、Maxwellと非常にマイクロアーキテクチャが似通っているため、どちらであっても差は少ない。NVIDIAはMaxwell世代から、PC向けGPUとモバイル向けGPUのマイクロアーキテクチャを統合した。

引用:http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/kaigai/1026659.html

この辺になるとぶっちゃけよく分からないんだが、グラフィック向けのMaxwellはPascalと比較しても大差がなく、カスタムされているのならMaxwellが採用されていても問題ないという指摘もありました。

Pascalが採用されているのであれば最先端技術であり様々な恩恵はあるでしょうが、Maxwellでもグラフィックでは大差なくコストを抑えられる、という感じのようです。

私見:よく分からないからどっちでも良い

この記事、書くのにすごい時間がかかったんですけど、理由の1つ目はソースが英語な為翻訳が大変だった事。
もう1つは、あんまり興味がないので文章がまとまらなかった事だぁ!

MaxwellかPascalかという議論は割と色々なところで見たのですが、要は性能かコストかどちらを取るかとの事ですし、この違いが具体的にどれ程の差を生むのかが分かりませんでした(´・ω・)

それと、私は任天堂ハードもPSハードも(ついでにセガサターンも)持っているのですが、このハードにはこのチップが積まれていて~、なんて、生涯気にした事がありません。いや普通ないじゃろ(´・ω・)
そしてそこまで気にしてゲームをプレイしているユーザーもほんの一握りの指先くらいしかいないと思います。

結局はプレゼンテーション、もしくはリリースまでこの詳細は明らかにならず、私たちが任天堂の方針を変える事も出来ません。
なので任天堂がこれが最適だ!と思ったものであるならそれが最適だったのだろう、と思うのが1番楽しくゲームを遊べる考え方じゃないかなーと思います。

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  1. 匿名 より:

    お疲れさんです
    どうなるかってより、なんで意見が真っ向から食い違ってんだろう?ってとこが気になるなー

    • arai_miuta より:

      これがまぁどっちも自信満々マンなんですよね(´・ω・)
      お互いどのソースを基に情報発信しているのかが分からないですからねー。
      管理人:みう太

  2. 匿名 より:

    難しいけどNSが安いってことは理解できました

    • arai_miuta より:

      任天堂も手に取りやすい価格、には気を使っているみたいなので、その辺のコストに関しても考慮して決めているんでしょうね(´・ω・)
      私も詳しい事は全然分かんないですw
      管理人:みう太

  3. 匿名 より:

    TegraX1カスタムとTegraX2には性能的な差はないということですよね?

  4. 匿名 より:

    サードやインディーズの移植を考えれば性能はどうしても必要となるもの。
    でも任天堂はファミリー層カバーしたいしnvも失敗したタブ事業のパーツ
    流用とかしたいならコストをとってきそうな気もする。
    まぁ最近はproなりnewなりを出す流れもあるから数年後にnewスイッチ出して
    そこでpascal積んでみたとかしてもおかしくないが。

    • arai_miuta より:

      スペックを求めればコストは高くなりますし、ターゲットを考えると高価なものには任天堂もしたくないですよね、きっと。
      確かにPascalが安定して準備できる段階になってから上位バージョンという可能性もあり得るかもですね(´・ω・)
      管理人:みう太

  5. 匿名 より:

    予想は置いといて、ディーン高橋はいわくつきの記者だから
    話半分で読んだ方がいいよ

    • arai_miuta より:

      海外のサイトでディーン高橋のコメント書かれていたんですよねー。
      それで調べてみたんですけどディーンフジオカしか出てこないので困ったものです(´・ω・)
      管理人:みう太

  6. 匿名 より:

    グラフィックに重要な演算性能は、Maxwell採用の「Tegra X1」が512GFLOPS、Pascal採用の「Parker」が750GFLOPSほど。
    1.5倍の差を「少ない」とするかは見解が分かれそうですね。
    また後藤氏はメモリ帯域について「X1とParkerでは、この部分が大きく異なっている」とも記事で指摘しています。
    (メモリが遅くてせっかくの高性能を発揮できないなんて悲劇も、過去の事例では散見されます)
    X1が25.6GB/sec、Parkerが2倍の51.2GB/secとのことですね。ちなみにPS4は176GB/secだそうです。
    ただ、あくまでカスタム前のチップの数値ですので、Nvidiaと任天堂のカスタム次第で変動します。
    両社がどんな判断をしたかによって、マルチ展開されるソフトの顔ぶれにも影響しそうです。

    • arai_miuta より:

      うーん、なるほど、やはりPascalの方が高性能は高性能なんですよね。
      ただ純粋な据置機であれば価格も気にしつつスペックに重点を置けば良いと思うんですけど、ポータブル性を兼ねていると性能だけでなくバッテリー、排熱、携帯機としての価格などバランスが重要そうですからね、その辺りの調整が難しそうです(´・ω・)
      管理人:みう太

  7. 匿名 より:

    何故このような騒ぎになっているかというと、
    まず前提としてPascalとMaxwellでアーキテクチャ上に差は大差ないのは本当です。
    問題になっている部分は16nmFF+ではなく20nmをわざわざ使う
    …つまり西川氏や後藤氏があえて今更使わないだろうとはっきり言った20nmをわざわざ使うと断言したからなのですね。
    20nmと16nmFF+は性能差がかなりあるために議論になっています。

    ただし理由として挙げられた開発に間に合わないというのはあくまでTegraX2ベースには間に合わず
    X1ベースのカスタムになる(Seasons of Heavenの開発者も言っていました)というだけで
    あえて今20nmを採用する理由にはならないんですよね、アーキテクチャを変えなくてもチップの微細化は可能です。
    これまでのゲーム機でそれは証明されています。
    Direct-Feed Gamesさんは開発機は20nmで実機は16nmFF+になると言っており、
    また先日の噂で最終版の開発キットの稼働時間が3時間から5-8時間に大幅に上がったこと、
    これらを踏まえて20nmではなく16nmFF+を採用している、だからPascalの可能性が高いと個人的には予想しています。

    • arai_miuta より:

      そう言えば調べてる時に20nmとか16nmとか単語あった!でもよく分からなかった!
      確かこの話題のコメントにも、わざわざMaxwellを16nmにカスタムするとも思えないからPascalじゃないの?ってのを見かけた気がします。
      確かにバッテリーは開発キットより最終版は持続時間が増えている事を考えると、Pascalの可能性も十分高いんですねー(´・ω・)
      管理人:みう太

  8. 無知の素人 より:

    よく分からないけどNvidiaはPacalとか言うのを他分野にも転用するつもりなんでしょ?
    だったらスイッチもそこに合わせてくると思うし、コスト面もそうゆう展望込みで優遇してくれるんちゃう。
    仮にもスイッチは共同開発なんだから。

  9. 匿名 より:

    NVIDIAは今回据え置き機で成功して他分野で認められたいと思うからここは本気出さないといけないはずだ、と踏んでpascalだと予想してます

  10. 匿名 より:

    PascalかMaxwellかではなくメモリ帯域がどれだけ出せるかが勝負を決めると思ってます
    今回はNVIDIAが開発の中心ですからWiiUなどの売りだった混載DRAMは搭載されないでしょう
    しかもモバイルのメモリ規格はPS4のGDDR5の176GB/sはもちろんXBOXONEのDDR3の68.3GB/s+混載SRAMにも大きく及びません
    Tegra X1のメモリ帯域は25.6 GB/sだそうです これではよくてWiiUの12.8GB/s+混載DRAM281.6GB/sと互角程度ではないでしょうか?
    Tegra X1カスタムだとしても帯域を改善でるならそれでもいいと思います

  11. 匿名 より:

    後々パワーアップしたチップを搭載したSwitchも出そうだけど
    この段階でもUE4用いたゲームが再現できる点ではWii Uよりも可能性はあるで
    まあ今は目の前のものを楽しむほかないかな。

  12. 匿名 より:

    MaxwellとPascalの差は決定的です。

    Maxwell世代のSoCの回路構造を従来の平屋建ての建物に例えると、Pascal世代の16nm(FinFet+)は、平屋から2階建てにして、敷地(CPUダイの大きさ)を単純に半分にできる上、CPU回路自体も、プロセスの進化で、そこから更に16nmにシュリンク(通路幅や部屋割りが20nm世代の8割ほどに縮小可能)することにより『消費電力の大幅な削減=バッテリ駆動時間の延長』が可能になります(まあ、それでも2.5~6時間ですが)
    その辺の恩恵については、前出の西川善司さん、後藤弘茂さんの記事に触れていけば判るようになります。

    CPUダイの大きさが小さくなるということは、その分、1枚の半導体ウエハの歩留まり(=畑の収穫量)が増えて、チップ1枚辺りの製造コストが、若干下がることを意味するので、発注側の任天堂は有利になります。

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